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After losing 5 straight onside kicks...

Date Sunday, October 21st 2007, 1:57 PM Icon Viewed 226 times Date Number of replies 6


A lesser player might have settled for calling it a glitch...  good thing I'm not a lesser player.  It was obvious my opponent spent some time practicing.  His kicks were consistently bouncing in the perfect spot and his end coverage man consistently made the recovery despite the ball being kicked directly toward my end man.

So what did I do?  I did what any coach would do...  I adjusted my returns several times until I found the secret of his success and took it away.  Mind you it took losing 5 straight onside kicks to figure out what to do...

1st onside:

Just before the end of the 1st qtr.  Score 7-7.  He surprised me.  I was in a normal return.  He quick kicked before I could audible to the onside return.  The ball hopped at 9 yards and his end man recovered the ball at almost exactly 10 yards and about midway between the hashes.  

2nd onside:

After the half, I'm thinking he won't try another one...  I was wrong.  He opens the 2nd half with an onside.  I audible to an onside return.  he kickks the ball to the same spot, gets the same hop.  I manually control a player on the back row and run to the spot I believe he will kick the ball with the hop that the man on the front row will take out his end man...  Wrong again.  He recovers.  

3rd onside:

This time I'm expecting an onside.  So I open with an onside return.  Since I know the where the ball is kicked, I control the end man on the front row.  I'm thinking that I should manually take out his end man so that he can't recover the kick, which will give my other men the chance to get the ball.  I successfully knock his end man away from the ball, but the ball spins back toward the middle of the field where there are no Panthers...  he recovers.  

4th onside:  

Onside return.  I control the end man.  Other than the spin on the ball, I consider my last recovery attempt to be a successful tactic so I try it again hoping for a more fortuitous spin.  He kicks to the same spot, gets the same bounce at 9 yards.  I step up to take out his lead coverage man and the CPU gives me a hellish juke move.  My man catches a hand full of air.  His man recovers.  I imagine his end man is giggling as he gives the ball to the ref.  

5th onside:  

Onside return, Controlling the end man.  I'm taking out the end man.  No, really this time...  Same kick.  POW.  I dive at him and take him out at the knees.  The ball pops up and I get a decent bounce to an open area closer to my players than his.  Mad dash.  He wins...  ARGHHHHH.

6th onside:  

Onside return, controlling the end man.  Screw the end man, I want the ball.  Same kick.  This time instead of worrying about taking out the front man, I realize that in order to get the ball, I'd have to do it quickly and manually.  I jump just as the ball pops up and make a jetpack catch.  FINALLY!!!

After recovering another one the same way, he started kicking the ball to the 2nd man on the line instead.  None were successful.  But when you can prevent the other team from having the ball...  

Meanwhile, I score 14 points with my first 3 possessions...  Too bad I'm already down by 30.  Final score 44-14.

Later

 

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the_qolossus
Date Monday, August 11th 2008, 3:35 PM

yeah, i don't know that i would have been that cool about it. i may have finished the game but he'd have gotten some serious tongue lashing in the forums
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Moostache
Date Tuesday, October 30th 2007, 3:23 PM

Kudos to you for wanting to figure that out...I personally would not do it, but I find that when I put in a football game I don't want to play that style. More power to anyone who does want to play like that, but I find it ultimately very boring and not terribly rewarding in the end. That type of player is yucking it up and having a good old time until you stop their crap....then all of a sudden they quit the game (happens too often)...just not my cup, but I commend you for sticking it out about 3 onside kicks past when I would have left to find a better game for my style.

I seriously think that Madden online would have a lot more life for people if EA just made some crazy styles of game rules and put them online for people to choose from....think of Halo and its different styles beyond just Slayer matches or the upcoming COD4 with its customizations.

Some suggestions?
- all onsides kicks all day (if those things are in the game, make it worth something for those who want to chase after it all day...)
- all play action pass games / no blitzes allowed (this is just an example...)
- slippery ball (jack up the fumbles on any clean hitstick tackles)
- deflate the ball (have no passing plays in the playbooks active)
- remove the kickers...put the QB or anyone rated 45 or lower at kicker and punter and disallow XPs and FGs

We do some of that type of stuff in our MW leagues and by and large people who play in the league LOVE it...I would imagine that EA could (if there was the willpower) do something similar for Madden and NCAA...

Make these games like Madden challenge games - 2 minute quarters, 21-point rule to auto-loss and then rank them all.

It would serve several purposes - 1) it would give guys who want to just play football some level of relief from games where someone wants to do nothing but onside kicks the whole time (which is fine if like you TNT people want to just figure out how to stop something but in many other cases just turns people off of online play because it is so clearly not a legitimate football strategy) - give them a 'minigame' to play to do that stuff...post a leaders board for the most successful onside kicks in a game or in a row, etc... and 2) it could also make people go over to play the crazy game styles as a way to earn extra achievment points too...
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TNT713
Date Monday, October 22nd 2007, 8:52 PM

LOL... Don't be so quick to commend my sportsmanship. It's easy to seem cheerful about it NOW. But truth be told, I was uttering some things my mother wouldn't be proud of.

He was easily the best onside kicker I'd seen since I started playing online. And how often do you get to practice onside returns against someone that kicks the onside so well? Now, if I meet someone with the same type of onside threat, I'll know what to do, making this the first and last time I lose 5 onside kicks in a row.

Later
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maddenchick
Date Monday, October 22nd 2007, 1:13 AM

wow! this was really an intense game you are truely a good sport.
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raczilla
Date Sunday, October 21st 2007, 6:16 PM

That frustrating game will probably pay off for you at some point. I like your attitude toward this kind of stuff.
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MJOFMADDEN
Date Sunday, October 21st 2007, 5:51 PM

Damn..... That sucks at least you you tried like a real baller. I would have broke a $50 controller on that type of game. Thank god it wasnt me funds arent good right now to break a controller. I commend your sportsmanship.
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